Group Therapy #130-150
From: L.A. Speak
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: ...as always, entertained!
Love, redemption, and a soul mate to boot - considering how the main character started out (in "Sins of the Past") a more sweeter ending couldn't have been written. p>But no matter what folks think of the finale....let's hope they don't let it define the entire series. Heck, what I've enjoyed most is knowing that long before "Crouching Tiger - Hidden Dragon" had its characters flying through the air, and WAY before the ladies on "Sex and the City" realized (in their 3rd season opener) that soul mates didn't necessarily have to be the person they sought to marry, we Xena fans were one step ahead of the game. p>As viewers, we were fortunate to enjoy everything from the silly to the most serious through two main characters that connected with its audience and with each other....a chemistry rare, yet essential to the success of any "small screen" endeavor. p>I wish Rob Tapert, his team of writers, and both our "leading ladies" similar success in the future.
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: final episode
I've been a fan since they started the series. After I watched this two hour episode...I dunno...I was left feeling empty, hollow, and I just couldn't believe that it was the end. The show, in my opinion, had a lot of class, although campy at times...but that was its charm. To let it all go in that manner...I felt robbed. The writers, as skilled as they have been in the past, could have...should have mustered up something a little more satisfying to the audience. However, the kiss was wonderful....giving her water my ass!!! LOL! Thanks for the opportunity to give my input. May she rest in peace and many thanks for the grit of the entire cast and crew for an incredible six years of Xena!!! Battle on!
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: Group Therapy
Well after watching the FIN I &II twice, I don't think I'll be able to watch ever again. I couldn't sleep that night because I felt I had lost my own solute.
Kudos to Lucy and Renee, their acting was awarding winning. They made me feel their joy and their pain. The pain in Renee's face at the end when Xena tell her she has to stay dead was gut wrenching. I could not stop crying for hours, I felt as though I was the one losing my friend. I to this day (3 days later) still feel a void in my heart. I was watching Xena on the Oxygen channel and could not sit through the whole episode because I felt I was watching a ghost. I know we have lost Xena in the past but this is so finale. Although I grieve with Gabrielle I do understand what Rob must have wanted us to understand that Xena and Gabrielle's journey together was for Xena to atone for her evil past, making things right. And so she does. Gabrielle taught Xena when and how to do the right thing and Xena taught Gabrielle how to stand up for the greater good, and so the show come to a full circle. Xena finally does atone for her sins in the greatest way possible, she gives up her life to avenge to death of all those she harmed, and Gabrielle will keep Xena's memory alive in her scrolls and continuing her work for the greater good. I know that as fans we do not agree in watching our hero, our friend die but we must look beyond our pain see the good that this show has done for all of us. How many of us can stand up for ourselves with out caring what anyone says, and how many of us have formed stronger bonds with our friends. If I can say one thing that XWP has taught me besides the importance of acceptance was how any one no matter of sex, religion or creed are all capable of fighting for the greater good (peace) and can make the world a better place.
Thank You Lucy and Renee for showing us all how important our friendships are and for sharing your lives with us and letting us live them with you. To Robert Tapert and Sam Raimi kudos for a ground breaking show and for sharing your vision with us.
El Paso, TX
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:01 PM
Subject: I didn't like it
Six seasons of an awesome show ended like that?! What were they thinking?! The whole lesbian vibe thing is so ridiculous too. I mean, it was stupid the whole chicks who are friends being portrayed as soulmates or something. Anyway, that's not my point. Japan I & II came out of left field and didn't connect with anything. Xena had to die, fine, but stop with the "I'll always be with you Gabrielle" bulls***. I love that show to death, but it could have been done soooo much better.
From: ruth fletcher
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:32 PM
I am experiencing a surge of strength upon the resolution of Xena's warrior lifetime. Her cleansing of fire. I rejoice with her redemption. The expertise of which this story has been brought to life thrills me. Never has anything on TV touched me so deeply. Xena: Tension between dark and light was played out precisely full. In "Japan 11" X. is ready to move on to whatever is next. She was almost there in "Fallen Angel". Her compassion for Callisto and insightful request to G. for them to transcend good and evil was moving. When G. couldn't see it, X. faltered and fell back into guilt and doubt, pleading with G. not to let her walk through eternity in hell alone. Gabrielle: Tension of light and dark played out but not completed. She was all over the place. In her being she was drawn to the focus and discipline of X's warrior lifestyle. Her deep reverence for life stopped her from embracing it totally. "Japan 11", she was propelled into the center of focus, symbolically taking on the chakram, sign of tension of opposites. She wasn't ready to transcend. Insisting on her way by keeping X. in the afterlife. X's wonderful loving smile when G. say's "I don't care (about the 40,000)" says it all.
The "Japan 11" Kiss, Hey, girls just wanna have fun. So LL and ROC got carried away, they were due.
Akemi: X's bridge to redemption by showing her honor and detachment.
Joxer: the Joker or Heyoki is valuable guide. "Japan 11", G.'s line "What's with the robes?".
Really good line I loved: "Furies", X. to her mom, "I leave you to entertain the gods. I am leaving the stage".
Subtext: Expertly, lovingly written and played. Contributes and leads to the main attraction, redemption.
Loved every moment of "Xena, Warrior Princess". Thanks to whomever, whatever gave me this experience.
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:49 PM
Subject: Series end
I thought the season ended the only way that it could -- with Xena paying the ultimate price for her past sins. The whole point of her journeying and fighting evil has been to help people in a futile attempt to make up for the evil that she caused in the past. With this being true, Xena's redemption would never be complete until she paid for her sins with her own life. I thought the producers did a good job in making Xena die by choice for a noble cause because it immortalizes her as a hero who died for the souls that she hurt in the past. The only way that Xena could ever die is if she wanted to because to all of her fans, it would have been an atrocity and an insult to have some random warrior come in and kill her. I thought the series ender was extremely touching and that it completed her journey very well.
From: BJ Bruther
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:40 AM
I really liked the final two episodes--I saw it as a very dark Japanese bushi flick, along the lines of the Japanese bushi epics, and of course, Hagakure (used last year to good effect in Ghost Dog). Of course, my interests are in medieval military history and the history of serial murder (Elizabeth Bathory, for example), so the extreme violence of the episode did not bother me; I though it rather appropriate to origins of the series in "The Bride With White Hair" and the very rich history of honor and warfare in Japan (Xena sought redemption/atonement for her past, and got it) Gabrielle, appropriately enough, is her true successor in the field of "saving the oppressed" and all that. She trained her well. (My other favs in the film world are Thelma and Louise and Excalibur, and any nice Japanese medieval flick about the bushi) So count me as one who loved the series, loved the subtext, and liked the "Last Battleground" (If you ever read Fighting Woman News in late 70's, early 80's you may have read a series that I wrote about women warriors in history and literature)
From: D. Daily
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:11 AM
Subject: Thoughts about Xena
I teach high school children with severe emotional disabilities. Two years ago I dared to teach a unit on Greek mythology. I was asking the students some general questions to gauge their previous knowledge when I noticed that one young man was answering many of the more difficult questions. When I asked him where he learned so much about mythology he told me from Xena. My reply was, "What's a Xena?" After that Xena became a regular topic in our classroom. I would read a myth and the kids would valiantly argue that it didn't happen that way on Xena. I tried, with no success, to explain that Xena was merely fiction. When we read the Iliad and they learned that King Priam's daughter was Polyxena, the room erupted. This was their proof. They quickly came up with a story that basically had Xena escaping from Troy and changing her name (fan fiction writers would have been proud). XWP gave these kids a larger than classroom education about mythology. They could go home, watch the show, and then relate what they had learned to it. I finally decided to see what all the fuss was about and was immediately hooked.
I have cheered Xena and Gabrielle on in battle, laughed at stupid jokes and impossible stunts, and now, cried at the end. I, like so many, wanted to see Xena and Gabrielle together at the end. Not necessarily walking in the sunset but together. Happy endings are not always a part of real life, and when your favorite show reminds you of that it stings. As we are faced with life's hardships, all we want is for our friends and family to be happy, to live the fairy tale, and enjoy the happily everafter. It only makes sense to want the same for Xena and Gabrielle. But, as in life, it didn't happen that way and many of us are hurt and angry.
I have heard people say that they will not watch the show again because of the ending. What a wonderful way to thank Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor for the last 6 years. It gives loyal to the end a new meaning. What about all that this show accomplished? Thousands of dollars were raised for charity all in the name of Xena. I have read where this show has inspired women to leave abusive relationships, overcome illnesses, to find a great inner strength.
Rob Tapert wrote a risky end to a risky show that he created. Imagine, an action based drama featuring two practically unheard of women in the lead. Sounds crazy. I could never work, but it did. With a foundation like this how could we be surprised by the ending.
Looking at the big picture of life, this was only a TV show. I can continue to be angry at the ending or I can learn from the show. I will take the latter. I believe that there is a little Xena and Gabrielle in everyone. I hope to continue to fight for the rights of "my kids" with the warrior's spirit and the compassion of the bard. I will not remember this show by its ending but rather by the joy it brought to a classroom of 10 troubled young men.
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:14 AM
Subject: xena finale
Being a fan since the beginning. I was absolutely surprised by the fact that she was not able to walk into the sunset with Gabrielle. However, the whole story was definitely entertaining and very epic. We saw Xena sacrifice herself for the "Greater Good" and finally find the redemption she was looking for. Along with the birth of a new warrior in, Gabrielle. I'll miss the show and hope that a movie maybe in the future. But until then.. Xena and Gab will live on in my imagination..and of course fan fic. : - )
From: Nancy McCorry
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:44 AM
Subject: Loved the ending
I loved the ending. It was so poignant. Sure it was painful to see Xena and Gabrielle separated in the end, but I guess the point is..were they really? Their bond was strong even in death (although it is unclear to me how "dead" Xena really is). The show was very moving and complex, like life. Perhaps the outrage over the end is in great part due to the fact that the show is over. A type of complicated grief. This must be the stages of denial and anger. It seems that we are on our way to bargaining with the petition.
I love the show and hope for a movie in the future. Anything can happen on TV.
Ann Arbor, MI
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:15 AM
Subject: series finale
I thought the ending was terrible. After all the ups and downs we went through, it was an easy way out. What was the point of leaving Gabrielle alone? The idea that Xena's spirit was with her was little comfort. Gabrielle is now alone in the world everyone she loved is gone. So were to believe the entire journey was to make her the ultimate warrior, who has no one and needs no one but xena's spirit. As you can see I am more than disappointed, I'm disillusioned. I truly believe they damaged the show beyond belief. I don't even want to watch the reruns, why bother? If I were The Oxygen Network I would be very upset at the outcome. There are thousands more who feel the same as I do.
From: Carla Capizzi
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:18 AM
Subject: letter to editor
If nothing else, Friend in Need proves how really brilliant Rob Tapert is. He had said repeatedly he wants to do a Xena movie. By ending the series with a cliffhanger (and let's face it, a Xena ghost hanging out with Gabrielle qualifies as a cliffhanger because there's always a chance of bringing her ashes back as Gabrielle originally was supposed to do), he knew he'd incur the wrath and grief of fans who would positively howl for a movie. And he was right -- there is publicity aplenty in the media about the anger and grief of fans, as well as on-line angst -- definitely a plus to a producer looking for a studio and big-pocket investors to get a movie made.
Too bad that while we fans anxiously await to see if this ploy works, we all have to suffer the pain of seeing Xena and Gabrielle separated Frankly, I would rather have seen than both die together -- or go together into the spirit world. Separating them was especially cruel after seeing the relationship heat up this season, as evidenced by Heart of Darkness, Legacy, the Norse trilogy, When Fates Collide and Many Happy Returns -- not to mention Friend In Need.
Was it a great episode? I think so, dramatically speaking (despite some holes in the plot). Was it true to the six seasons of Xena, and its message of redemption through love and good deeds? No, since in this case redemption came through suicide and heartbreak -- not to mention that the real culprit, Akemi, didn't pay the price -- Xena and Gabrielle did.
New Jersey, USA
From: Morgan Sumners
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: Xena Finale-What I really felt
At first I, too, was among the legions of the highly disappointed when I viewed the last five minutes of the season finale. Up until then, I was of the general opinion that Mr. Tapert had outdone himself once again......there were outstanding fight scenes, a captivating storyline, and the interspersing of the strong emotions we've come to expect from the bond he has forged in our heroines. Everything seemed to be in its proper place. I don't know if my heart broke more when Xena put her hand on Gabrielle's wrist to stop her from dumping the ashes in the pool or if it was the haunting visual when the camera panned out at the very last frame and we see Gabrielle, painfully alone on the sailing ship.
It was later that I came to realize that we care so much about Xena and Gabrielle because Rob cared enough in the first place to share them with us. If we didn't, we wouldn't feel so strongly one way or the other. We get so emotionally involved because we've had the privilege of coming along on their journey for the past six years. We laugh with them, we cry with them, we want the best for them. We are entertained and we are moved. Sometimes we learn something. And perhaps this is what makes this show stand out from the rest. Rob dared to push the envelope, alter history, introduce strong, independent characters that could both kick butt and profess the depths of love for each other. He had a great idea and Lucy and Renee brought it to life. Rob was right, I think..it really is a love story. It's a love story between us and them as much as it is between Xena and Gabrielle. And in the end, painful as it was to watch, what redeemed it for me was that the story did not alter from that theme.
I so wanted the ending to be different..somehow. I had made up my mind that I didn't really care what happened...as long as they kept Xena and Gabrielle together..in life or in death. And after my initial shock and disbelief when the credits rolled, I realized that despite what it appeared to be, they were still and would always be together.
Xena did not "stay" with Akemi, or with anyone else, she simply stayed dead. For Xena, doing the right thing was her redemption. At first I was angry at the implication that her death, not love, was the element necessary for this. But I have a slightly different perspective on that now. None of it would have been possible without Gabrielle's love, so in the end, they were one and the same. Xena introduced Gabrielle as her soulmate, and later, she told Akemi to "go in peace." She would meet her friend again "someday." That was paramount to the way I viewed the ending, because it clarified that although she was dead, she was planning on remaining with her soulmate. Then she went with Gabrielle. I loved the scene on the boat...for a minute it looked as though it was ending the way it should have...with the two of them sailing off together. Then you see Gabrielle alone. But you know that Xena is there with her. "Where you go, I will be at your side." I believe that. Thanks Rob and Lucy and Renee...for making us care and giving us six years of your very best.
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: The Finale
I was so disappointed...I already knew I was going to have PTXD (Post Traumatic Xena Disorder), because it the series was ending. The finale made it 10 times worse!! After alllllllll they've been through together, and all us fans have gone through watching them, I think we at least deserved a happy ending. Guess they wanted to "shock" us again or something...and it didn't work...I'm just p*ss*d!
So, to make myself feel better, I have decided to remember "Many Happy Returns" as the finale! Hey-If they can do whatever they want, so can I:)
KPChefB aka Porscha at the Palace
From: Belle Pellegrino
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Friend in Need II
My initial reaction to the ending was very gut level... AARGH!!!.
I was totally with Gabrielle, "I don't care," Xena couldn't really die. As I watched the episode for the second time, my sadness was lessened. It WAS the 'right' thing to do.
For six seasons, I saw the development, the search for redemption, the growth of Xena and Gabrielle. There could have been no other ending. As a warrior, her death was inevitable. That it would come as the result of fighting the "good fight" was the only option.
Now, several days later, I realize that we have been given all the clues we truly need. In "Send in the Clones", they had to have material to obtain the DNA to make the clones. Ashes wouldn't provide it.
In my heart I have faith that Gabrielle will somehow find a way to get Xena back. They will live out their lives together then die at their appointed times. Its the only way there would ever be the material for the "Clones" to happen.
The how of it is left for all of our collective imaginations and the great mystery we know as Xena.
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: Last Ep. of Xena
At first I thought the ridiculous amount of commercials made the series finale of Xena Warrior Princess make no sense until I watched it again and realized it made no sense. Wasn't Xena out of character? Not because she allowed Gabrielle to take the lead or was played softer than at any other time but because she was so submissive. She allowed herself to be lead around by the nose the entire ep. Since when wouldn't she fight the Japanese God of Afterlife for the 44,000 souls to be allowed to continue on their paths rather than to avenge their deaths by staying dead herself and leaving Gabrielle. Springing that one on us at the last second was a good one, thank you. And don't we know Gabrielle well enough to know she would try to find Eve before leaving the Orient or did R. J. forget he sent her there a few shows ago. I'm glad Gabrielle is sailing off into the sunset with a big smile, I know I wouldn't be.
What's was with this "O'boy, I'll take the blame"? The villagers beat her, the kid released her Daddy's soul, and in Buddhism everyone is held accountable for their own crap. Read the fine print guys, everyone takes responsibility.
And what happened to the other characters I've grown to love? What happened to Auto and Salmoneus? They counted. And while I'm at it would it have killed you people to add a few more minuets of Borias, the sexiest warlord this side of Ares.
The producers should have spent less time jacking off in the special effects lab and spent more time on the script. Was that over kill or what? And didn't the arrow go in her left arm?
From The Debt opening to the rip off of Xena dying I give this show a resounding "There had better be a movie soon because you owe me!"
From: Tina Dunckel
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Last Episode
The Last Warrior...Episode!
The time has come for the end of my favorite show...again. I have been through this before. One would think I would have learned by now not to get attached. Yet when a show can reach out and really grab my attention, it is hard for me not to become attached. Xena was such a show. One of the few shows in my life to do such a thing.
I was ambivalent about the series finale of Xena. On one hand I could not help anticipating what would come of the Warrior Princess and her able-bodied sidekick, Gabby, and who would join them in their final episode. On the other hand I was dreading that there would be no more adventures, no more Xenaesque humor, no more Ares's bulging muscles, no more show period!
I knew beforehand that the two final episodes would exceed all my expectations and then some How could it not? This was the end for one of the best loved television shows ever. There is no way it could disappoint me, right? WRONG!!! Disappointment is an understatement.
Was the season finale well written? Yes, of course, almost all the episodes were well written (I won't even mention "Married with Fishsticks"). Was there major butt kicking? Yes, there was that as well. Was there a sense of closure? Not a chance. Was there a sense of knowing what was going on? Not particularly. Akemi? Akemi who?
I was hoping the last episode would tie up all the loose ends, so that those of us who have been with the show from the beginning would feel that the journey was complete. Instead we were treated to a story that didn't have any connection to Xena and Gabrielle's previous adventures. In my opinion, (I realize my opinion means nothing in the Xenaverse) the last episode was not a good place to throw a completely new story at us, or at least at me. I am one of those people who needs closure.
What happened to Eve? I know she was out spreading the word of Eli, but it would have been nice to know how her career as a pre-television evangelist was coming along. And Virgil? What about him? We haven't seen him since Xena had to save him from becoming the lunch of some cannibals. Am I the only one wondering if he became a vegetarian because of that traumatic experience?
"Friend in Need" wasn't all bad. There was alot of emotional stuff going on, which made it worth watching. Gabby got a cool tattoo and her fighting was incredible. Xena was decapitated, but still managed to kill the bad guy even though she was dead (with her spirit not her headless body).
I would not have missed the final episode of Xena for anything, I only wish it could have ended the way I wanted it to. Does anything ever happen the way we want it to? Probably not when it comes to television, unless we happen to be a writer of that particular show. It's too late for me to be a writer for Xena now, but not too late for me to outline what my final episode would have been.
Xena would finally give in to her passion for Ares after he proved his love for her. They would be wed (for real this time). Prior to the nuptials, Xena and Gabby have a heart to heart. Gabby talks about Perdicus and how she had loved him. She then goes on to tell her soulmate that not pursuing a relationship with Joxer had been her biggest regret. Gabby tells her it was only when he sacrificed his own life for hers had she realized that she could have loved him the way he wanted her to. She ends the conversation with a few wisecracks about Ares. During the reception Xena tells Ares about her conversation with Gabby, and how she wishes there was something she could do for her. Xena and Gabrielle share a dance, in the meantime Ares slips away only to return a few moments later. The festivities continue after Xena and Ares retire. Gabrielle is sitting off by herself drinking some ale, watching couples dance and laugh. You see a hand tap her on the shoulder. She tries to push the hand away without looking at the person who it belongs to. When the tapping persists she gets up and says "You want a piece of me?" She turns and there in a really nice black leather outfit and standing like the warrior he was always meant to be is a young Joxer who says "Can I have this dance?"
The rest of the story would be left up to the imagination. It's not everyone's ideal ending, but then again neither was "Friend in Need." I am sure some loved the last episode, as it showcased Xena and Gabrielle's love of one another. Perhaps, I am just disappointed because I didn't get the ending I wanted. I guess my imagination will have to suffice...for now. There's always a chance that there will be a Xena/Gabrielle reunion movie.
From: betty hepner
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: SEASON ENDER
LET ME START BY SAYING , WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO KEEPING PROMISES. EVERYONE KNOWES ROB SAID NO XENA WOULDNOT DIE. YES IM UPSET BY THE ENDING. MY HEART GOES OUT TO LUCY LAWLESS,AFTER ALL THE HEARD WORK AND LONG HOURS AND SOUL SEARCHING FOR HER CHARACTER THAT WAS UNFAIR WHAT HE DID. NOW HE MIGHT THINK HAY IT SHOULD END THIS WAY, BUT DID HE HONESTLY THINK HE WOULD FIND ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKED THE ENDING I THINK NOT. THE CHARACTER GRABRILLE LOSES HER BESTFRIEND,SOULMATE,ECT.AND NOW HAS TO BE BY HERSELF FIGHTING EVENTHROUGH XENA SAYS TO HER IN THE END ILL ALWAYS BE THERE,COMEON NOW HOW WAS SHE GOING TO HELP HER FIGHT BATTLES. SO YES SOMEONE SHOULD PROSWADE ROBERT TO DOING A MOVIE WHERE THE SERIES LEFT OFF AND YES INCLUDE ARIES IN IT. AFTER ALL HES NOW A GOD AGAIN SO HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING HER BACK.AS FAR HAS LUCY AND RENEE YES I THINK FOR ALL THEY HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS AND EVERYTHING THEY BEEN THROUGH, THEY DESERVE THAT GREAT ENDING EITHER DIE TOGETHER OR LIVE TOGETHER EITHER WAY DONT MAKE ONE CHARACTHER GO ON WITHOUT THE OTHER. AND IF LUCY AND RENEE DONT DO THE MOVIE .THEN NO MATTER WHO PLAYS THE ROLES AT LEAST BRING XENAS CHARACTER BACK TO LIVE AS A DEDICATION AND TRIBUTE TO LUCY. SO PLEASE ROB MAKE THIS HURT IN OUR HEARTS GO AWAY. YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: (no subject)
Both Xena and Gabrielle have literally gone to heaven and hell to be with one another not to mention bring each other back from the dead, to then send them off to Japan where Xena gets killed! OH PLEASE! When's the movie, so that Xena can resurrect again!
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:34 PM
In an effort to come to grips with my disappointment and anger, I, like so many others have been reading the posts on Whoosh! and other sites. It helps...a little. But here is what I keep seeing again and again: FIN, FIN, FIN, FIN...French for the end. Could the acronym of Friend in Need have been intentional? Could the message have been that clear from the moment the title was given to the episode? I wonder...
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:46 PM
Subject: LAST 2 EPS
SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER CLASSIC/SEXIST CASE OF A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN BEING SLAPPED DOWN! DREAM ON
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